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michael brady sits in a small children's playroom just off the main visiting hall at San Quentin State Prison, considering the case of Bob R. A sad-looking middle-aged white man with a goatee, Bob has the rough, red face of a serious drinker. He wears a standard-issue bright orange jumpsuit and is shackled at the waist. There are Winnie the Pooh posters taped to the walls, and brightly colored toy trucks, but the air is thick and oppressive.

Brady is a deputy commissioner on California's parole board; he is, in effect, judge and jury for parolees who have been arrested for violating the terms of their release, the so-called technical violators. Previously, he was a deputy secretary in the corrections department and helped design the New Parole Model. Now he's hearing cases, most of which last less than 20 minutes.

Brady quickly peruses the file and notes that Bob, who had his parole revoked once before after serving 16 months for a fraud conviction, recently "absconded" for 43 days without reporting to his parole agent.

"You have an alcohol problem," Brady says. "When you drink you don't report, right?"

Bob admits that he was on something of a bender and trying to tend to his wife, who's sick with liver disease. He unfolds a tattered handwritten note spelling out his troubles— alcoholism, homelessness, failure to find work. "Please help," it concludes.

Brady gives him what he asks for, a six-month placement in a privately run residential rehab program, but only after Bob serves a three-month sentence, what is known as "six with half," meaning the parolee serves only half the stated time of six months.

That may sound like a modest punishment, but such sentences can be debilitating; not only do they cause serious disruptions in the lives of parolees, who often lose jobs, apartments, and cars while inside, they condemn them to one of the worst and most poorly designed areas of prison life, the "reception center." Reception centers are intended to be temporary homes for newly arrived inmates, where they are tested, treated for urgent medical problems, and then assessed for more permanent prison assignments elsewhere in the state. But because parole violators receive such short terms, they never leave what are among the prisons' most crowded and disease-ridden sections.

Take the reception center in the desert city of Lancaster, just north of Los Angeles. The prison there, designed for 1,350 inmates, holds nearly 5,000 men, nearly half in its reception center. Many newly arrived prisoners stay in open gymnasiums jammed with rows of triple bunks, self-segregated along strict racial lines. They are stuck inside for 22 hours a day, leaving only for meals and twice-a-week visits to the yard. "We're just warehoused. There's nothing to do at all," says Vernon Bell Jr., who was sent to Lancaster for threatening his parole agent.

The reception center at San Quentin is even starker. Just inside the center, in the prison's West Block, are three tiny wire cages for inmates either waiting for a transfer or who have caused trouble. On a visit this winter, the three cages held men barely able to move in the narrow enclosures. Just inside the interior doors to the shadowy block were two more cages, both filled. Above rose five tiers of cells, some of the doors left open as the inmates simply roamed at will. Each cell is 4 feet by 12 feet, with a double bunk, an open toilet, and a small sink. It is cacophonous, and a constant rain of refuse floats down from the open tiers. The guards chat with each other and sit at battered desks. The nearly 900 inmates, the majority of them parole violators, spend most of the day indoors. They may get a couple of trips a week to the yard, but other than that they receive no "programming," which means no rehab, no classes, no vocational training. They get no contact visits from their families and are permitted no telephone calls, except to attorneys. This is where Bob R. and the 13 other parolees Brady will see on this winter morning will end up.

Following Bob, the melancholy parade continues with Mr. Lewis, a young black man who takes numerous medications for schizophrenia and the voices he says he hears inside his head. He failed to report to his parole agent immediately after release from San Quentin because, he explains haltingly, he got on the wrong bus outside the prison. Lost and confused, he called 911 and was arrested. "I see people every day who are so seriously mentally ill that I have to send them to a doctor just to get them stabilized to talk to them," Brady says, and that is what he orders for Lewis before sending him to the reception center. "The prisons have become our mental institutions."

The US prison population has doubled since 1990. It has increased 367% since 1980.

Walt is one of several of the morning's supplicants whom Brady greets like an old friend. "What are you doing here again, my man?" Brady asks. Walt, a 28-year-old who appeared at a revocation hearing less than a year earlier, nods warmly and then tries to explain away an apparent crack buy witnessed by a police officer. It's hard to put one past the 56-year-old former criminal defense lawyer; 10 years ago, before he started working for the state, Brady fought addictions to alcohol, cocaine, and meth, which landed him in prison for a year. That was followed by a 100-day stint for violating parole and a return to sobriety. He is unmoved by Walt's convoluted explanation and insists on rehab. Walt agrees, but first there's the prison time.

Next, Tyler explains how he got arrested after a dispute over a credit card. It has been six months since he served some time for a previous parole violation. "I don't want to see you again," Brady scolds after handing out a brief term and a rehab order. Tyler responds with a smirk. "I don't want to see you again, either."

Prison Break

over the past year, Schwarzenegger has thrown several Hail Mary passes in a desperate attempt to ease the crisis. In January, he proposed the release of more than 22,000 nonviolent inmates with very short terms or close-to-completed longer terms. Tilton, the corrections chief at the time, was less than enthusiastic, saying he endorsed the proposal only because of a looming $17 billion budget shortfall. "I'm not a fan of early release," he said.

California legislators said they would fight such a move. "They're taking the easy way out, just releasing them, but it's not the easy way because they'll just end up back in prison later," said Todd Spitzer, a Republican from Orange County who heads a state Assembly committee on prison issues. Schwarzenegger flip-flopped in May, dropping the early release plan, saying that the prison population was starting to inch down on its own.

LAST SUPPERS

391 prisoners have been executed in Texas since 1982. Nearly 1 in 5 declined a last meal. Of the 317 who ate one:

22% asked for fried chicken.

16% asked for steak. 1 requested filet mignon.

14% asked for a double-meat cheeseburger.

49% asked for a side of fries. 1 ordered "freedom fries."

Most popular drink: Coke, followed by tea, milk, and Dr. Pepper

Oddest meal request: A jar of dill pickles

Denied: 1 request for bubble gum

Most specific request: 10 pieces crispy fried chicken (leg quarters); 2 double-meat cheeseburgers with a side order of sliced onions, pickles, and tomatoes, mayonnaise, ketchup on the side, salt and pepper, lettuce if possible; 3 deep-fried pork chops, breaded, trimmed, and well-done; 1 small chef salad with chopped ham and Thousand Island dressing; 1 large order of french fries cooked with onions; 5 big buttermilk biscuits with butter; 4 jalapeno peppers; 2 Sprites; 2 Cokes; 1 pint rocky road ice cream; 1 bowl of peach cobbler or apple pie. —Jen Phillips

Last meal of Oregon inmate Harry Moore

Schwarzenegger is also falling back on the solution of building bigger warehouses because the old ones have filled up. Last year, he approved $7.7 billion in new prison construction, a move his office hailed as an "important step toward solving California's prison overcrowding crisis." The massive project will add as many as 16,000 regular prison beds and an additional 16,000 beds in community-based reentry facilities for soon-to-be-released inmates. The governor's insistence that the plan will serve existing prisoners rather than prepare for new ones has not placated those who insist the money would be better spent on reducing recidivism, as states such as Kansas and Texas are doing. "That is just the stupidest thing you could do," says Michael Jacobson, director of the Vera Institute of Justice and the author of Downsizing Prisons. "You get nothing by doing all that building, nothing in the way of getting better outcomes."

California would have to reduce its inmate population by more than 15 percent just to begin to function effectively, says James Austin, the prison consultant, who helped draft the Roadmap, one of the state's recent prison-reform plans. But reform, he says, is pointless unless it's accompanied by downsizing. "I don't care how good you manage; you can't do anything positive with the population they have now." In April, the Democratic president pro tem of the state Senate asked Schwarzenegger to clarify how the policies of early release and new beds fit together. "With all of the proposals out there," he wrote, "the prison population is a bouncing ball; we have no target."

The governor's spokeswoman, Lisa Page, says the prison expansion program "will reform and reduce the prison population by focusing on rehabilitating the state's current prisoners," while any early releases would free up space for treatment programs.

The latest proposals have left some experts throwing up their hands in frustration over another lost opportunity for reform. "Either we have a governor who lives in Hollywood and believes that wishing makes it so, or, more cynically, it's government by press conference," complains Barry Krisberg, president of the National Council on Crime and Delinquency and a member of the Roadmap panel. "The governor has continually fallen down on action. He has not delivered anything he has said he would."

Prison Break

as the governor wrestles with a paralyzed bureaucracy and tries to build his way out of the crisis, much of the responsibility for real change remains in the hands of the courts and the Prison Law Office. Fed up with the piecemeal efforts, and convinced that overpopulation is at the root of everything wrong in the prisons, Donald Specter and his team are now pushing the federal courts to order the state to slash its inmate population by 30,000. At press time, the Prison Law Office and the state were in intense negotiations to come up with a settlement.

Before he became the third corrections secretary to step down since 2006, Tilton said that he looked forward to implementing the changes that would get Specter out of his hair once and for all.

"Do you know how many times I've heard that?" responds Specter, sitting in his cluttered office not far from the gates of San Quentin, wearing jeans, sneakers, and a faded plaid shirt. "Every new guy running corrections for the past 20 years has said he's going to put a stop to all the litigation. I've stopped blaming the head of the system, because I've started to see it doesn't matter too much who is in that job.

"Schwarzenegger could put us out of business if he wanted to just by doing what he said he would do," Specter sighs. "Everyone in this office would go home tomorrow if conditions permitted. But once again, the governor is letting the courts decide. I'm not sure that's the best way to manage."

And so the Prison Law Office continues to micromanage the monster, fighting what often seems like an absurd battle. In their recent case on the conditions at San Quentin's death row, Specter and his colleagues produced photographs of laundry carts covered in bird droppings and another that contained a putrefying mouse. Lawyers from the state attorney general's office admitted that the photos pictured "what appeared to be a dead mouse in a laundry cart." But, they insisted, "the mouse had not started to decay."

Life Is Cheap

It costs more than $117 million each year to keep 671 men and women on California's death row. Here's a snapshot of some of the costs of executing a killer there—and what it would cost to keep him locked up for life. —Celia Perry

 

LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE

DEATH PENALTY

WHY DOES IT COST MORE?

Trial

$900,000 (average)

$2.7 million (average)

Longer trial, additional legal staff, expert witnesses, and extra security

Direct appeal

$105/hour

$140/hour

State pays capital defense attorneys more, and their workload is bigger.

Habeas corpus

$0

$200,000/year

State provides lawyers to death-row inmates, but not lifers.

Incarceration

$35,000/year

$125,000/year

Death-row inmates get their own cells and extra guards. They spend an average of 20 years on death row.

Last meal and execution

$0

$50 maximum (meal); $90 (3-drug cocktail)

 

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James Sterngold covered prisons for San Francisco Chronicle for several years.

Photo: Victor J. Blue/Koppel on Discovery


 

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you nailed it. Tilton and Spitzer blocked Schwarzenegger's attempt to release non-violent prisoners and the spineless democrats refused to put up a fight. They're so frightened of Todd Spitzer. Now Schwarzenegger has given up the fight and is waiting for the 3-judge panel to set a prison cap. Then all the legislators with NO political courgage will sit back and blame the courts. They disgust me.
Posted by:eileenJuly 22, 2008 11:54:29 AMRespond ^
California needs enough prison cells to lock up violent and career criminals. But in arguing that California needs 43 to 53,000 new prison beds is far from taxpayer friendly. New York has no three strikes law, but its violent crime rate has fallen faster than California's since 1994, when California's three strikes took effect. Over that same period, New York's corrections spending grew from $2 billion to $2.6 billion while the cost to California taxpayers jumped from $2.9 billion to $8.8 billion. And that doesn't count the $7.4 billion extra that California lawmakers approved last year to alleviate severe overcrowding or another $7 billion a federal receiver says is needed to provide adequate inmate health care. States like Arizona, Texas and Kansas are controlling both crime and costs by building strong community corrections options for low-risk offenders, which helps ensure there's sufficient prison space for dangerous criminals. Rather than simply trying to demonstrate they're tough on crime, these states are delivering a higher return on taxpayers' investments in public safety whereas California's lawmakers and voters are in a battle to see who can add the most draconian laws to the books to bankrupt the state.
Posted by:MichaelJuly 22, 2008 12:33:41 PMRespond ^
There are conflicting facts about prison overcrowding. Our Governor and Legislators reported prisons “operating at over 200% of design capacity”. The Legislative Analysist (LAO) reported an actual shortage of 16,600 beds. Our Governor and Legislators passed AB 900 to provide $6.5 billion for construction of 40,000 prison beds. The LAO indicated the construction proposal would result in a huge prison bed surplus.



The prison bed shortage could be eliminated without spending any of the AB 900 bond funds. The State could release Requests for Proposals for additional correctional beds to cities, counties and correctional corporations. Only about 4% of the California prison population is held in contract facilities compared to 9% in Texas and 6% in Florida. Contract beds would also save at least $60 to $120 million annually in prison operating costs.



The State will undoubtedly be required by the Federal courts to fund the construction of additional prison health care facilities. The $6.5 billion in bond funds could be used to pay for the required health facilities.



Our Governor and Legislature will waste the $6.5 billion for unnecessary prison bed construction for one simple reason. If they didn’t, the correctional employee unions would be very displeased.

Posted by:rich mckoneJuly 23, 2008 2:25:59 PMRespond ^
I think that the State of California is in violation of many Federal Laws that protect the prisoner population as a class of people under the law. The institutionalized persons act protects people from abuse in institutions. Overcrowding is an issue here. The laws are becoming stricter here and more and more people are going to prison for really nothing. The is the celling of America. There is very little medical treatment for the prisoners and they are being warehoused like cattle. It is abusive no matter what the stats reveal.
Posted by:Roxanne D. Greschner M.A.July 23, 2008 5:39:32 PMRespond ^
If CA spends nearly 4 times the money that MS does per inmate, does CA get nearly 4 times better conditons? Does CA get safer streets? Does CA get....well, you get the drift. Please post where MS spends its money in a line by line comparison. Thanks
Posted by:Eric D HollandJuly 23, 2008 5:42:24 PMRespond ^
I bet they could save alot of money if they:

1. Executed ALL deathrow inmates..!
2. Put tents in the desert surrounded by machine gun towrs.
3. Made prisinors break rocks 12hrs a day, then charge them for food.
4. Send inmate a bill at end of sentence for costs, and attach ALL future wages.

Just to name a few..:-)

Bill
Posted by:Bill NighJuly 25, 2008 2:00:12 PMRespond ^
If our society viewed substance as a medical condition, rather than a crime, many of those people would not be in prison. The problem is people accept without thought what the authorities say about drug addicts: their criminals. When the truth is they are not criminals, but human beings with a medical condition who need medical solutions. Locking these people in cages is probably the worst thing you could do for them, short of promoting their addiction. Likewise for those suffering mental illness. We don't explicitly say it in our society, but the truth is if you have a mental illness in America, you are either an "undesirable" or a criminal. Mental illness is not a crime, it's a medical condition that requires medical solutions. Locking someone with a mental illness in a cage is THE worst thing you can do for that person.

The system is so deeply flawed, no amount of reforms will save it. It needs to be uprooted and a new system of rehabilitation and care must be given all the necessities to grow.
Posted by:AllisonJuly 27, 2008 12:59:57 PMRespond ^
I'm not sure if Bill Nigh was making a poor attempt at sarcasm or if he was being serious.

But I am sure there are people who sincerely believe in the likes of what Bill Nigh wrote.

Honestly, to desire such ill treatment towards fellow human beings is a great sickness. Has compassion lost all value in this day and age, when an armchair critic can fantasize about the torture of human beings and not be called out?
Posted by:HeatherJuly 27, 2008 1:14:45 PMRespond ^
I've worked in Correctional Facilities, both State Prison and jails in California. Many of those incarcerated, if not a majority, are actually mentally ill individuals who, if given adequate treatment in a mental health setting rather than incarceration, would end up costing our current ineffective system millions of dollars less annually. In addition, the thousands who are locked up yearly for minor drug violations, rather than given treatment options, is one of the biggest wastes of taxpayers dollars we Californians endure. The Corrections system is California is broken and primarily serves the will of the prison guards and their organization, CCPOA the most powerful union in the state.
Posted by:ritaJuly 28, 2008 4:35:49 PMRespond ^
compassion? ok, nice idea, however in reality money talks b.s. walks...
Devoid of feelings? $.26 per prisoner, one time, problem gone.
Bill's post is compassionate.
Posted by:N.P.July 30, 2008 3:54:27 PMRespond ^
It all starts at home. Many of the inmates never received proper parenting. They are big kids without boundaries who need to be babysat. Perhaps we need to look at the source and figure out how to reduce the birth rate of people having babies when they can't even take care of themselves. I think we should hold people who receive government assistance more accountable with re: to childrearing practices to ensure they are doing their job. They ask much from taxpayers in assistance. Therefore, we must ask much from them. This solution would nip it in the bud long before they enter the system. Lets face it, once they are in the system most of them are at the point of no return.
Posted by:LFAugust 6, 2008 10:15:32 AMRespond ^
dear bill nigh
unless your willing to endure what u say others should
shut the [deleted] up
u just might be the next 1 they lock up
Posted by:heideAugust 7, 2008 10:21:12 AMRespond ^
Hey Heide,

YES...!!!
I would agree for give up my life, if i murder someone..Wouldn't you..? And if i commited a felony and was sent to prison, YES i think the family should be billed for it..!!!
You have no idea how many people i have heard say that as soon as a persons appeal is rejected by the supreme court, they should be marched to the wall and SHOT..!!!

Or are you one of those people that thinks that a person who rapes and murders YOUR child, should be put in jail and paroled some day..?

Bill
Posted by:Bill NighAugust 7, 2008 11:42:37 AMRespond ^
Yea, and if you could even spell the word, "prisoners", maybe somebody would listen to your hillbilly rhetoric. Besides other hillbillies, I mean.
Posted by:Bob SpraintAugust 8, 2008 4:47:24 PMRespond ^
So the purpose of the corrections department is punishment, not correction. We have over one percent of the US population in jail right now. By all accounts it is a profitable growth industry for the private prison corporations who bribe, er, lobby legislators to pass longer sentences and further privatize the prison system. The private prison corporations are never going to give up their lucrative racket. They bid a per head rate and care for the prisoner with money they withhold from their profits. The problem is that the prisoners know their lives are essentially over once they are in the system. Ex-cons can't vote, hold public office, etc. Their debt to society is never paid. They go in with an associate level knowledge of selling pot and come out with a masters in cocaine and criminal gang membership.
Cops want to get bad guys. It's part of their job along with lying in front of the grand jury to get the indictment. (Do you really think the DA will prosecute a perjurer who lies to help the DA's case?) DA's want a 95% conviction rate so they can perpetrate a promotion for themselves. Judges don't want to be seen as soft on crime. Public Defenders are swamped. Those who can not afford a good criminal lawyer learn that freedom is not free. Those with resources are entitled to all the justice they can afford. Poor and minorities are concentrated in prisons by this patently unfair system.
The Correction Department produces only professional criminals and jail birds.
Oh, and the cheapest alternative is prevention through education.
Posted by:SkylerAugust 11, 2008 10:56:14 PMRespond ^
Whenever the topic of justice in America comes up, particularly in regards to the California prison system, I can't help but think of Leandro Andrade.

Andrade is the man who got a 50 year sentence for stealing 9 childrens' videotapes from two stores in southern California in 1994. It was his 3rd strike, and this followed two other non-violent crime convictions.

Justice is blind, but it doesn't have to be deaf and stupid as well. This is a perfect example of how people at the top of the heap can steal millions and ruin the lives of thousands (such as Lay and Skilling did) and get short sentences in Club Fed while, on the other hand, the rest of us face the full vengeance of The People for petty crimes.

A few years ago, Don Henley (Eagles) co-wrote a song called "Gimme What You Got" that contains these gems...

Gimme What You Got by Don Henley (excerpt)

You can arm yourself, alarm yourself
But there's nowhere you can run
'Cause a man with a briefcase
can steal more money
Than any man with a gun

You got the price of admission-
You don't have to ask permission
To take somethin' from another man
You cross a lawyer with the godfather, baby
Make you an offer that you can't understand

From Main Street to Wall Street to Washington
From men to women to men
It's a nation of noses pressed up against the glass
They've seen it on the TV
And they want it pretty fast

-Wexler
Posted by:William W. WexlerAugust 12, 2008 8:13:30 AMRespond ^
I Just watched Jennifer Gonnerman on C-Span Washington Journal and she totally ignored a ex-inmate stating she now has to compete against illegals on the outside, and it's easier for them to get a job, than it is for her.

My father lost his $20 an hour construction jobs to illegals who will work for $12. Some of the illegals my father has worked with can't even read a tape measure, but it doesn't matter because they will work for $12.

My mother also used to work cleaning apartments at times, but that's a job a citizen in my area can no longer get.

I know people from Mexico are poor, but illegal immigration directly effects the wages of the poorest people in the US. Poverty creates desperation, and desperation creates crime.

No I'm not raised, I'm married to a legal Latin immigrant.

Immigration is an issue that should not be over looked. The poor of Latin America need to be helped in some other way, rather than competing in the job market with our poor. I believe groups like the ACLU have become corporate America's greatest weapon against the poor.

One thing we should look at is US foreign policy if we want to help the poor of Latin America. Check out John Pilger's "The War On Democracy"
mrxfromplanetx(.)com/the-war-on-democracy

John Stossel also has a great article "Myth More Foreign Aid Will End Global Poverty" He states foreign aid to government goes to politicians not the poor. We need to end foreign aid to governments, and direct the money to charities that actually help poor people.
Posted by:Amapola MorenoAugust 12, 2008 9:42:09 AMRespond ^
real good information....but picture is bigger!
Posted by:sohail khanAugust 12, 2008 11:17:24 AMRespond ^
The prison system in California was there long before ol' Arnawld was elected. As a former Biker/Gang Member/Drug Manufacturer i love these liberals! Professor Angela Davis has noted we could learn a lot from from the prison inmate population....oh indeed!!! oh indeed!!! I have known several people who left with degrees....i agree that re-education such as the Chinese and Vietnamese do...God bless Dirty harry
Posted by:TimrayAugust 12, 2008 12:18:48 PMRespond ^
The problem: Inadequate prison system management. Government run systems are infamous for not doing a good job at running systems. Look at our schools, IRS, prisons, etc.
The solution: Privatize the system. Companys that do poorly will be weeded out. Companys that are run well will succeed.

The problem: Too many inmates return to prison. Rehabilitation will not work for the vast majority. Why? Because for rehabilitation to work, you have to rehabilitate the convicts' friends. When they get out of prison, they have 10-15 buddies waiting to encourage them to return to their previous lifestyle.
The solution: Tough love. Make prison a miserable place to be and maybe they will try to seek a different lifestyle otherwise there is no motivation to change. As a migrant field worker, believe me, I had motivation to change my lifestyle.
Posted by:RaulAugust 12, 2008 12:40:52 PMRespond ^
I am a California resident. I sent my nephew to High School in Wisconsin just because the education system is better,the gang problem is not an issue and the threat of going to jail for minors is not as great. I don't want him to come back here, so I am considering moving out. I came to California for opportunity. I am going to leave out of fear "for" the males in my family. I don't want them taken by the system. I have a College Degree and a Profession Degree (JurD.) I am African American.
Posted by:Carolyn SmithAugust 12, 2008 1:23:04 PMRespond ^
I just watched Jennifer Gonnerman on C-Span and I wanted to bring up some points I don't believe were made on the program. I think a part of our problem is with court appointed attorneys. I have seen that someone with a court appointed attorney either ends up taking a plea bargain (unnecessarily sometimes and with worse consequences) or gets more time than someone with the means to hire their own attorney. It seems that, at least here in Texas, that the court appointed attorneys really push for someone to take a plea bargain. If they go on to court, then the attorney doesn't fight very hard at all for that person. For the court appointed attorney, the quicker they can get a case resolved, the less work for themselves. Most I have come across do not really care what is in the best interest of their client. One other problem is that too many crimes are classified the same and the sentence given is set for that crime with no looking at the individual circumstances. For example, if you have a gun in your hand, pointed at the ground and are yelling at someone, that is considered aggravated assault. If you have a gun and actually shoot someone, that is aggravated assault. Aggravated assault has a sentence of 2 - 20 years. How are these the same? I find that there are too many inconsistencies in our system. I also find that people here in Texas don't look at cases individually at all and more people end up in prison that shouldn't be there. I have gone to jury duty and was amazed by how many people felt (before a trial even began and a jury picked) that if the police had enough to arrest that person, that that person had to be guilty. They had already convicted them in their mind. These are some of the major problems I find with our current system and it is something we all need to be concerned about. Who knows, it may be you or a family member who is next in this situation.
Posted by:LauraAugust 12, 2008 1:24:07 PMRespond ^
Jennifer Gonnerman said that no presidential candidate had addressed the prison and inmate problems which unfortunately is untrue. If you go to Barack Obamas website and look under Urban policies/Crime you will see that he has addressed crime and rehabilitation.
Posted by:MikeAugust 12, 2008 2:23:57 PMRespond ^
The fact is simple...America's Criminal Justice System is a joke! We lock people up for far too long. Legalize it. regulate it, & tax it and you get a reduction in prison overcrowding.
Posted by:Steve DallasAugust 12, 2008 9:55:06 PMRespond ^
The State of California is supposed to have something like a 100-plus billion, that's BILLION dollar budget. If they cannot construct and maintain quarters that are to standard for their 170k inmates, it certainly isn't the taxpayers' fault anymore. CA in general has money problems, CA like other states has unions to contend with, that like to be paid Lots Of Money. One thing that CA does have in their favor, though, is Gov. Schwarzenegger, and if he assembles a fact-finding team and starts giving reform directions based on their recommendations, and gets any static about it, one thing the governor can do is basically fire anyone that gets in his way to get the instructions carried out. The Governator is Most Powerful. Well, hopefully the voters will stand behind him in prison improvement and reform efforts and that'll make him powerful enough to ensure safety and hygiene and humane treatment etc., maybe they can find volunteers from among the ranks of the inmates who'd be willing to help with the work necessary to improve their facilities. Public transparency concerning all monies involved is key, unions aren't necessarily a force for the good, there.
Posted by:BertAugust 13, 2008 9:53:12 PMRespond ^
Bill Nigh.

Unfortunately the lack of knowledge expressed by the "Nigh" of America is also the thinking of the rest who have never studied the alternatives.

Singapore has the death penalty for crimes that even by American standards are minor. Hong Kong does not. Singapore has always judicially murdered but its crime rate, especially the ones bringing life's termination
continues to grow.

The U S A has the most severe criminal penalties in the western world and, by far, a much higher crime rate. Compare the rates of America with even your next door neighbour Canada, then to N Z
Australia, U.K. Your penalties are more severe. You have the Death Penalty, the others do not, and neither does Europe and they all have a lower per capita prison population, and a lower violent crime rate.

The answer to violent crime is for the State to be as violent in response?
When I can be shown it is the answer I might agree, but the figures show otherwise.

Malaysia has the death penalty for selling a small amount of drugs and regularly carries out this Judicial Murder. Hasn't even reduced the offences.. They still happen

tomedgar@halenet.com.au
Posted by:Tom EdgarAugust 14, 2008 3:23:15 AMRespond ^
To Bill Nigh
ALERT! Redneckism has been classified as a felony.
Get your rock smackin' hand strong.
Pete Wilson is waiting for you on the bus with the other knuckle-draggers.
Posted by:Dan StashmanAugust 14, 2008 1:38:46 PMRespond ^
"Non-violent" criminals usually often, though not always, means those who are guilty of breaking drug and prostitution laws.

As usual, we need to get rid of the drug and prostitution laws. But "moral" people will always prevent it, and thus be the main ones undermining a sane justice system, whether in California, or anywhere else.

I mean, they (the "moral" people) really LIKE tying everyone up in this endless bull[deleted].
Posted by:LBCAugust 14, 2008 1:46:32 PMRespond ^
Hey People,

Yuo posters from outside the USA do not understand our country. Our population wants MORE people put to death..!!! Not less, and we will NEVER get rid of the death sentance..:-) Would just be nice if they didn't sit in prison for 20 yrs BEFORE they were put to death..!!! Unless, they had been gang raped EVERY DAY by the cell mate... HAHAHA
Now that is justice...!!!

Bill
Posted by:Bill NighAugust 14, 2008 1:52:49 PMRespond ^
If only redneck hillbillies could spell the English language..........
Posted by:Dan StashmanAugust 14, 2008 2:01:35 PMRespond ^
Hey dan,

No, actualy lib's are the ones classified as felons, it is called TREASON..!!

Proud to be a California RedNECK..!!!

Bill
Posted by:Bill NighAugust 14, 2008 6:34:53 PMRespond ^
Nigh! Some people posting from outside YOUR country have actually come from there, others have travelled to, and lived there. Most have an understanding not only of its lack of education and moral standards, they also know that the attitudes that you display are not only counter productive
but are also not cost effective. Vindictive, harsh and extreme penalties as punishment, has NEVER been beneficial to either the community, or in rehabilitation of the offender.
It is gratifying to people, such as yourself to see others suffer, primarily because there is very little difference between you and the offender.
Just that they were CAUGHT offending
You just obtain salacious pleasure contemplating it.

The pejorative "Redneck" is something of which only a moron could be proud.
It means an uneducated, ill informed, bigot usually with overtones of racial superiority brought about by an actual inferiority complex. So either you are proud to have these attributes or you are a misguided "Stirrer". Either way not very nice company.
tomedgar@halenet.com.au
Posted by:Tom EdgarAugust 14, 2008 8:53:09 PMRespond ^
John Stossel?? You couldn't find an appropriate quote from Rush Limbaugh on the topic? Stossel's only expertise in on how much make-up to wear on camera.
Posted by:chomboAugust 15, 2008 5:32:13 PMRespond ^
What Bill and so many others fail to understand is that most people in prison are not violent offenders. Yet they go on expounding their hateful rhetoric that in reality is just as much a part of the problem as poverty and under-education.
Posted by:NathanAugust 18, 2008 5:43:36 PMRespond ^
Wow, I usually do not agree with you, but (except for the 'tents in the desert') this time you are spot on!
Posted by:smags72August 18, 2008 8:29:27 PMRespond ^
Hey nathan,

Don't you think that spending a few months in the palm springs desert would go a long way in maknig "non-violent" criminals NOT return to prison..?
And making them PAY for everything would give them a good lesson in being accountable.. huh..?

Bill
Posted by:Bill NighAugust 19, 2008 2:17:40 PMRespond ^
And please note that the state pays $7669.00 per inmate per year in medical expenses, yet most inmates never receive care. Needs investigating.
Posted by:MarieAugust 24, 2008 10:13:19 PMRespond ^
once time is served, no need to be on parole(non-violent),they need help to land a job that keeps them busy, once on parole it's not easy to get a dicint job that makes there end's meat. parole is for violent criminal thats destroies families. keep them on there toes by watching them closeley, prison is for bad blood not sick blood, non-violents need insiprations not incarcerations. why focus on building more prisons? seems like they planning seeds for our next generations. Teaxs had overcrawding problems too, fed got involve and put a cap on there prison and fix the problem in one year, what's wrong with california,it's more like a tv show,season finale, six months later same show with new season,b4 we know it we've been watching the show for years.when actor/actress are in charge, becomes a tv show, thats how they make thier living,show busniess, our prison its one of the bigest show, bigest money making industry,stop making living off of inmates. California we need more reality shows.we taxpyers pay for the serious criminals crime, we feed them on time, we pay there rent.release the non-violent and open beds for bad bloods.
Posted by:CarolynSeptember 10, 2008 12:53:32 PMRespond ^
Having spent six months in a CA jail for the non-violent crime of getting a massage in my apartment from a foreign exchange student, the harsh reality of the wasted time and money the state spends became very clear to me. As a non-drug user, first-time "offender" in the system, it was not immediately apparent to me just why I received a nine month sentence, five years of probation, $4,000 fine, two years of rehabilitation, and a lifetime sentence of not being allowed to work at other than menial labor jobs. Owning a gun is out. Voting...who cares now? But, the list of jobs a felon is not allowed to get is incredible. A felon may not become a real estate agent, a plumber, and so on. Many people who were in jail at the time I was there were habitual visitors due to probation violations. The guards did beat prisoners, but, of course, that was disputed by the chief of police in court. Having been soured on the system, and by the system, I am still angry after all that time of my life was wasted for what should have been a minor violation. The system is not only flawed, broken, and in shambles...it is deplorably unfair to citizens who don't deserve to be lumped into the same category as "those people."
Posted by:GuySeptember 11, 2008 5:42:25 AMRespond ^

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